rock and roll musings by Tim Byrnes

Boxing Outside the Think: A Dream Sequence

   (Authors note: The standard accusation thrown at me by our resident Christofascist is that I'm an entertainer and not a serious person. I refer the word 'artist', as I don't get paid for this shit, but that's another story. He once rebuked me w/ a snide "No business like show business, eh Tim?" To which I reply: THERE'S NO BUSINESS BUT SHOW BUSINESS! An idea, a belief, a feeling, a creed, a code of morality, whatever, once you start the attempt to share it w/other people, you start selling it! There is no purity inside or outside of self, because we are all products of our history. We are all products of our education. We are all products of our upbringing. We are all products of our individual, personal inclinations which are, of course, formed and informed by all of the above. Bottom line: We are all products.)    

     "It's a hot night here at the Heavenly Polo Grounds. I'm yr ring announcer Lester Bangs, and we're here for the Fight of the Afterlife. The fighters are just now entering the ring."

      (Mic slowly falls from clouds)

     LBangs: " In this corner, ladies and gentlemen, the challenger. Standing 6 feet 3 and 3/4 inches, weighing in at 148 lbs. soaking wet w/change in his pockets. The Nihilist From the East: Mahwah Tim Byrnes"

       (Loud booing from crowd, scatterred cheering from the section that smells suspiciously like sulphur)

     LBangs: "And in this corner, the reigning champion of all He surveys, standing higher than the clouds in all His eternal majesty, weighing in on everything that ever matterred and, praise him, always backing the right horse. He's mean, he's clean, the Galillean Grappler, The Nazarene Knockout King, Ladies and Gentlemen, yr Saviour and mine Jeeeeeeeeeeesus. H. Chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist!!!!!!!!"

       (Tumultous, nay, rapturous applause, halos getting flung in the air, glorious trumpet music comin' outta nowhere, and I swear I saw a couple of bitches flying, man!)

      LBangs: "Our Lord and Saviour is in his corner praying w/cornerman Jim Muglia. Let's see if I can get them on mic. (Loud electrical zapping sound. Bangs appears back onscreen, face now blackened) Well, that didn't work, maybe we can listen in  on Byrnes and his cornerman, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

     JWright: "Now I wants you to git in dere and justa kick dat honky's ass! Kick him in da Holy Balls!!! Ain't representing shit for us. Now kick his thorny headed, water walkin', tragedy ingnorin', broke his promise to the promised people's, loaves and fishes multiplyin'  ASS!"    

     Byrnes:   Uh, ......OK

     (ding!)             

     LBangs: "Round one! Byrnes comes out, looking even whiter than usual, he's got his arms outstreched, and he's walking up to Jesus w/and I can't believe this, folks, w/his chin up! Jesus floats like a butterfly, one of the many wonders of His creation, up to Byrnes, and it's a right! A hard right! Another right, another right, another and another and another right. Byrnes is reeling and bleeding from his potty mouth. Another hard right from He who came to save the world!  Byrnes is waving his arms spasmodically, looking like Joe Cocker in a fish bowl. Byrnes staggers up  to Jesus, spits out his false teeth and, oh my goodness, he's kicked Jesus in the Holy Balls. I can't really see too well now, what w/all the flames and lightning suddenly filling this arena, ladies and gentlemen, but it appears that Jesus is pissed! "

(15 minutes later)

     LBangs: (Sounding bored) "And another right. And another. And another. Byrnes is little more than a long, skinny pulp of blood w/big ears, now, folks. Jesus stands back and raises his arms. The crowd roars!!! The arena is filled w/the triumphant light of good over evil once again. Pepperland is saved. The mouth of Byrnes has been silenced. Praise Jesus! Praise Jesus! Praise Jesus! Huzzah! Huzzah!!!!   Oh, what's this?  Byrnes is moving, he's trying to raise himself off the canvas! Great googly moogly, folks, I can't believe it!  He's on his knees now, facing Jesus! He's taking his gloves off! Could this be the long awaited surrender and supplication of the heathen Byrnes, for which so many of the faithful have prayed so long??!!! Oh, no, he's raising his hands to the Lord, I think he's making a one fingered gest............. "

     (Suddenly the screen shot slips upscreen like unraveled film and from offstage left comes that Oscar winning rabbit, Bugs Bunny, carrying a large pair of scissors and wearing a wily grin)

     BBunny: "Sorry, folks, but due to circumstances beyond our control, and understanding, we are unable to show you the rest of this cartoon. But let me tell ya what happened................................"

De-Ba-De-Ba-De g-g-g-god d-d-damn am-am-america!

Posted by: timbyrnes at 17:09 | link | comments (104)

Comments:

#1  11 October 2008 - 02:07

 

dude... even i gotta say that was a little over the top......

i can accept you saying you've checked out Christ, and don't buy it. i don't agree, but i can accept it.

i don't spit in the face of that idea.... and i know carl doesn't either. no need for you to spit in the face of something you know we hold dear.

that's all i'll say on that.

larryl

#2  11 October 2008 - 02:24

 

Byrnes sees Savior with arms stretched out for him. What's this, the hits that Byrnes had coming to him are going on The Savior. Byrnes observers money falling out of J-Wright's pocket and realizes that his own are now empty and he's been sold a bill of good that ain't worth ten cents. He smells the sweet aroma of the coffee. He now can see that Nietzche is just anothher face in an infinite sea of philosophers. An empty feeling fills him up as he realizes everything he missed out on for Nietzche's lies. In a fit of anger he decides to run in the opposite direction to try, like Scrooge, to be the best he can with what little time he has left. "Jim, how is your wife man, did she have the baby yet? What about Larry's baby? Like Mother teresa always said "Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers!' God bless you my friend, and thanks for hanging in there with me. Hey Carl, let's clean up some of those songs for the concert this March."

Jim

Anonymous

#3  11 October 2008 - 15:52

 

hmmmm,

As far as I can see, there are
three things missing from this
post:

#1: Punk
#2: Rock
#3: Blues

Rick

Anonymous

#4  12 October 2008 - 02:27

 

I saw a lot of #1 in the first post.

;-)

Jim

Anonymous

#5  12 October 2008 - 15:51

 

Scarily enough, I was going to say the same thing. :P

burninglight

#6  13 October 2008 - 01:56

 

1) You know what, though? One time on the damb JT said that I was "obnoxious", so I decided, well, if that's how he's get me pegged, then that's what he's going to get.

So, maybe my description of him as a "jackass of colossal proportions" hit the wrong nerve as well, so he just figured he'd unload.

Or like when I called you a clown on the dorf, so you unlaoded a little thicker and heavier. Its human nature.

Anyhow, I clarified in the thread below, that I should have only said that he ACTS like that sometimes, and that God can be the actual judge.

2) I have a book in front of me right now with 50 of the most famous philopsphers. I am dying to know why he picked Nietzche as his grand pooba (sp). Nietzche's premise was that Christian piety evolved as a result of slaves wanting to have the moral high ground over their masters.

To say that it came from nowhere else ignores quite a few other options.

And why do many other religions agree with the prinicpals that lead to Christian piety, if that is the case?

Tim, don't run with the first thing that makes sense to you. Step back a little bit and analyze it a little bit more rationally.

If I didn't do that, at certain periods in my life, I might still be giving money to Robert Tilton.

We all need to slow down now an then and say "Whoa whoa whoa; does this thing really make full and complete sense?"

Now, here at the table, I'm calling your Nietzche scalpel for rooting out reality into question.

Here is a question for you, Tim? Do you see any flaws with Nietzche's premise that religous piety every time and always evolves from a desire to gain more power, or some other disingenuous motive?

Can it honelstly be said tht it aways does?

What do you honestly think?

I'm sure there are many occasions in your life where you did something nice for someone even though you had nothing to gain, but you just wanted to do it anyways.

So, would something like that possibly be a detraction from Nietzche's premise?

Jim

Anonymous

#7  15 October 2008 - 18:15

 

Wow, I'm surprised that Y'ALL are surprised! I thought the post was funny and ya'd think I was sending yr kids off to die in Iraq or something. Jiminy Xmas, people, if yr saviour can't take a fictional kick in the hoily balls, then what good is she?

Oh, and I think Nietzche was often fulla shit, too.

"Clean up the songs for the March show" indeed. Have you MET me?
tb

timbyrnes

#8  15 October 2008 - 18:44

 

I don't think anyone was surPRISED, tim.... :P

burninglight

#9  15 October 2008 - 19:52

 

Well, you agree with Nietzche that religious piety was created for selfish purposes, right?

Jim

Anonymous

#10  16 October 2008 - 00:16

 

"Clean up the songs for the March show" indeed. Have you MET me?"

Should I be afraid to?

Are you any different in person than you are here?

Jim

Anonymous

#11  20 October 2008 - 16:05

 

Joe the Plummer in '08!!!!

Jim

Anonymous

#12  20 October 2008 - 16:11

 

you mean joe the plumber with no license, who owes back taxes, and wants to buy a plumbing business, which declared revenue of 100k last year?

(he's one of 2 employees... lofty goal... maybe he should start his own company... o wait... no license... right....)

larryl

#13  20 October 2008 - 16:42

 

All that, he has far less corruption than Jerkemiah Wright.

Joe the Plummer in '08!!!

Joe the Plummer!

Joe the Plummer!

Joe the Plummer!

Joe the Plummer!

Joe the Plummer!

Joe the Plummer!

Jim

Anonymous

#14  20 October 2008 - 16:43

 

And no-one's going to listen to Laster becasue we all know tht he's just a hack for the liberal media!

Jim

Anonymous

#15  20 October 2008 - 17:01

 

your buddy hannity admitted this guy was a total farce.

larryl

#16  20 October 2008 - 17:03

 

"And no-one's going to listen to Laster becasue we all know tht he's just a hack for the liberal media! "

by the way....

everything i said is fact.

if you say otherwise, prove it.

it's documented, and admitted to by joe, and even the conservative media.

i'm a shill for me... i think liberals and neoconservatives are idiots.

larryl

#17  20 October 2008 - 17:10

 

okay boys....i am curious....I would like to challenge each of you (tim, larry, jim,and .... carl)-- you have two paragraphs ((that is a paragraph being seven to nine sentences Jim)) to convince me to vote your way -- or no way -- in the upcoming elections. You can consider me a moderatly educated female in the political arena. What can you do for me?

22apples4ever

#18  20 October 2008 - 17:55

 

Hi 22 Apples,

Hope you are doing well. OK, here is 9 long sentences, so they look better separate, than all jumbled into one paragraph.

Our founding fathers were wise and philosophical people, who learned form the mistakes and successes governments of the past.

Thus our country was founded on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, in that order, becasue they need to be in that order to make sense.

In this election, and in most elections, The Republican ticket understands this the best,a nd their policies reflect that principle the best.

The Democratic ticket talks of freedom and liberty for women, when it is at the expense of the life of our own children.

The Republicans do not reduce a woman to an irresponsible mechanical machine for man's pleasure, who can merely use abortion as back-up birth control.

The Republican Party honors and respects women, whereas The Democratic Party looks down on women and merely prompt up angry feminists who resent their femininity.

Also, The Republicans understand the nature of evil, whereas The Democrats and moderates, tend to very snootily portray America as the source of evil in the world.

The Republican ticket is for drilling our own oil, standing strong against terrorism in more than just words, and cutting taxes to encourage business and ultimately create more revenues.

Those policies have a history of success, and they are true to the principles that our country was founded on.

That is my 9-sentence case, and I encourage you to vote for McCain-Palin on Nov. 4, 2008.

Jim

Anonymous

#19  20 October 2008 - 18:18

 

tell me more about your idea that demo's degrade females....

22apples4ever

#20  20 October 2008 - 18:27

 

vote your conscience. please vote for the person you feel is most qualified to run this country, and the one who's views and policies most closely match your own. ignore what party they are a member of, or if you think they have a chance of winning. it doesn't matter. i don't know enough about you to presume to tell you which candidate that is. i've spent my entire adult life in sales, and one thing i've learned is, only an idiot tries to persuade someone to do something, without understanding if they have a reason to do that thing.

for me, i want to vote for the candidate who will move the government in the direction of staying the heck out of my life. who will move the gov't toward being the smaller thing the founders envisioned, not the monolithic bureaucracy it has become now. in short, i want to vote for a candidate who will follow the constitution, and direct the nation in a capitalist democratic fashion, not a socialist one.

i wish there were someone in this election who felt that way. the closest i see is bob barr, and i don't trust him. his recent conversion from right-wing neoconservatism hasn't convinced me. ron paul (who was and is my first choice) has endorsed chuck baldwin, so that is how i am leaning right now, after checking into him, based on paul's endorsement. if you agree with me that this is the direction the gov't should be moving, i encourage you to look into baldwin, or even barr. you might be able to trust him. if not, then i have wasted my time, because we don't want the same things for the nation.

i hope you'll forgive me typing 4 paragraphs. the first was really just to set up the two that followed, and this one is just en exit..... sales makes me like this.....

larryl

#21  20 October 2008 - 18:30

 

thanks for your input larryl - i appreciate it...

22apples4ever

#22  20 October 2008 - 18:32

 

I wonder if there is a happy medium between our far too capitalist society....and socialism....?

22apples4ever

#23  20 October 2008 - 19:44

 

"tell me more about your idea that demo's degrade females...."

Hi A22,

I have a lot to say on this; I'll address your request later tonight.

Jim

Anonymous

#24  21 October 2008 - 02:33

 

"tell me more about your idea that demo's degrade females...."

Actually, you don't need a long monologue from me about it.

Just think about what I said above.
I'm sure you can put the pieces togther.

"The Republicans do not reduce a woman to an irresponsible mechanical machine for man's pleasure, who can merely use abortion as back-up birth control.

The Republican Party honors and respects women, whereas The Democratic Party looks down on women and merely prompt up angry feminists who resent their femininity. "

There are so many women in complete tatters tonight from having had an abortion. The Democrats keep fighting to keep it legal, and lives have been lost, women have been so used and so degraded. The Virgin Mary used to be a role model, now modern "Catholic" feminists try to keep her statues out of the churches.

If abortion was illegal so many women would have been spared from so much inner devestation and sorrow.

Nobody knows what these women who go through abortions are living with, the depression, the sorrow, the anger. They had an abortion 10 years ago? EVery time they say a ten-year old they are emotionally tormented.

Democrats don't give a hoot about women. They use them, abuse them, appeal to their angry or base nature, with sweet jive about freedom, and then leaved them raped, naked, and childless in the back seat of rusty beat up cars in the rain.

Democrats NEVER address this reality. 20/20, 60 minutes, Dateline NEVER addresses these realities. These entities don't care about anything but power and their religion of the sexual revolution.

Did you know that Bill Clinton is a certified rapist; but the press let's him get away with it scott free?

Women are nothing to that guy, but a means for his own pleasure and power? And yet liberals give him a free pass because he supports abortion?

Its so sick, its so warped, its so corrupt, and just to prove it watch what will happen here in response st said, from self-proclaimed Christians and non-Christians alike:


there will be not one word of empathy, not one word of genuine compassion, and if there is, it will be deadened in the echo of "we really shouldn't look to the government to end this, so my vote will allow pro-choicers to beat McCain".

The Democratic Party is quite simply the most hateful, evil, despicalbe force in America. Killing baibes and enabling terrorism is a horror beyond words. And everyone here gives them a free pass and .or respects them more than The Republicans, who are the only ones to even to try to help women and their infants.

Jim

Anonymous

#25  21 October 2008 - 15:55

 

Well Jim...don't hold anything back....tell us how you really feel.

Sadly, I do not agree with you 100%, you are going off the deep end with the whole...

"Democrats don't give a hoot about women. They use them, abuse them, appeal to their angry or base nature, with sweet jive about freedom, and then leaved them raped, naked, and childless in the back seat of rusty beat up cars in the rain. "

I am not too sure that the man in the next office, or down the street from my house has ever raped a woman, or even left any woman for that matter in the back of a rusty car - but by all means...lump them all together - because it fits your needs so well....

wow....i have heard about people like you -- very opinionated -- not shy of sharing and pushing your belifes on anyone and everyone who will listen....I get that you are passionate about life and God...you are the type of person that gives Christian's a bad name. Go around calling people baby killers - rapist - gun toteing sons-of-such and such....but yet here your president is at war with a country that we don't even belong in....

i have found your banter on here very intersting; have even been reading it for a while - wanting to say something, just never sure what or how to say it....I find you an interesting person -- odd -- and a bit rude...but...interesting none-the-less

22apples4ever

#26  21 October 2008 - 16:00

 

and i have found that larry laster always resorts to lower case, no matter who he is trying to impersonate.

He may remember a capital letter for the like the first sentence or so... but then he quickly goes back into the same pattern of lower case typing...

and i don't give a hoot what anyone says, democrats don't give a frog's fat ass about women at all.

jim

Anonymous

#27  21 October 2008 - 16:02

 

now i am impersonating larryl?? are you a bit paranoid jim?

22apples4ever

#28  21 October 2008 - 16:14

 

So what are you doing this week to save the unborn? We'll be at the clinic Saturday morning, praying with Catholics United for Life.

How about y'all?

Jim

Anonymous

#29  21 October 2008 - 17:12

 

it ain't me, jim. but i did see the similarities to my writing style, and i knew the accusation was coming.

larryl

#30  21 October 2008 - 17:12

 

i'm going to spend time with the kids i already have.

larryl

#31  21 October 2008 - 18:27

 

should i apologize for sounding like poor larryl? Hey jim...you never did address my question...

"I wonder if there is a happy medium between our far too capitalist society....and socialism....?"

22apples4ever

#32  21 October 2008 - 18:37

 

i think tim has given up on his own blog.

larryl

#33  21 October 2008 - 18:54

 

"I wonder if there is a happy medium between our far too capitalist society....and socialism....?"

Let Larry take the first crack at answering this.

Jim

Anonymous

#34  21 October 2008 - 19:26

 

yea... there probably is.

the problem is, we've let big business get so darn big, it's hard to go back to a simplier capitalism, and regulation is socialism......

larryl

#35  22 October 2008 - 02:49

 

Let the free market reign and enforce the mopnopoly rules so everyone's got a shot. Reject socialism of any sort.

Jim

Anonymous

#36  22 October 2008 - 02:54

 

So much philopsphising here, so very little Christlike empathy for the unborn.

Jim

Anonymous

#37  22 October 2008 - 16:15

 

Jim.....Jim....Jim....the human has free will -- God gave us that right, if people choose to do what you deem or he deems sinful -- it is thier choice -- and you cannot change that, they will be dealt with on judgement day. I do not agree with "killing babies", but I do belive that every woman ((and every man)) have say in what they will do with their bodies.

How about we waltz in and make men get snipped when they have had "too many babies" that they cannot support. Or better yet, lets not let the get snipped -- just make them stop having sex so they cannot produce so many kids that they have to live off the system.

Not very much Christlike sympathy from this corner....but I am assuming you already knew it was coiming.

22apples4ever

#38  22 October 2008 - 16:53

 

"Jim.....Jim....Jim....the human has free will -- God gave us that right, if people choose to do what you deem or he deems sinful -- it is their choice"

Yes, it is their choice. And it is a choice that should be illegal, becasue that choice is to take an innocent life.

Unless, you are saying that killing innocent human beings should be legal?

" -- and you cannot change that, they will be dealt with on judgement day."

I am not pre-occupied with peoples' eternal judgement on this issue, I am passionate about a baby's right to life.

There is absolutely no consolation to me in thinking about who will be judged, etc. The woman decided to get pregnant, and she needs to be responsible for that choice. The Democrats insist that women do not have the dignity to be responsible for their choices. And it is quite an insult to women.

"I do not agree with 'killing babies', but I do belive that every woman ((and every man)) have say in what they will do with their bodies."

What they do with their bodies is one issue. What they do with another person's body (the unborn baby's body) is QUITE a far different issue.

"How about we waltz in and make men get snipped when they have had 'too many babies' that they cannot support."

Because that would not be preventing killing, it would only be enforcing someone's opinion. No comparison.

"Or better yet, lets not let them get snipped -- just make them stop having sex so they cannot produce so many kids that they have to live off the system."

No such thing. God clothes the lilies of the field in splendor; there is never any need to worry about how kids will be supported. The more the merrier.

Even non-religious people know of people who were able to support their large families.

"Not very much Christlike sympathy from this corner....but I am assuming you already knew it was coming."

Not only was there not much Christlike empathy, there wasn't much wisdom to it, in general.

Jim

Anonymous

#39  22 October 2008 - 17:03

 

Tim here. Been busy at work and rehearsing for upcoming (paying!) gigs. Anyhoo, Howdy Ms. Apple. Cynical ole me thinks one need not vote, because the system is rigged. If I imagine there's no heaven and that politics actually included us Jos the plumbers I'd vote for Obama because his lies at least look to the future, wehile McCain's reinforce the 1950s John Wayne whiteboy mindset that has led us to become the International Laughingstock we've become today.

But, honestly, I'm not here looking to convince anyone of anything. Remember the prb/Lesterfarian motto: I DON'T KNOW.


My only real position on any of this is that, in all likelihood, neither do you.
tb

Anonymous

#40  22 October 2008 - 17:18

 

you are probably right...

it is still intersting to be reading such banter between very different personalities...

adds a bit of "thinking" to my day...food for thought persay I suppose...

thanks for your input on the subject -- now get back to being busy :-)

22apples4ever

#41  22 October 2008 - 17:21

 

"How about we waltz in and make men get snipped when they have had 'too many babies' that they cannot support."

Life, or the ability to create it, should never be interfered with.

One thing intersting about the scenario you mention, is that the legalization of abortion can be a pre-cursor to that.

China has enforced abortions, for all we know they already have enforced snipping or tube-tying as well. It would certainly work hand-in-hand with the enforced abortions.

Jim

Anonymous

#42  22 October 2008 - 18:47

 

"But, honestly, I'm not here looking to convince anyone of anything. Remember the prb/Lesterfarian motto: I DON'T KNOW. My only real position on any of this is that, in all likelihood, neither do you."

Tim, "I don't know" is your standard cop out, and Larry Apples, if he was your friend, would call you on that, instead of agree with all the time on it.

You might be called to jury duty sometime, or sometime again, in your life.

You'll have evidence put in front of you, for your discrimination.

It might be an open and shut case, or it might not.

Either way, you have the responsibility to look at the evidence and make the best decision.

To keep saying "I don't know" and "they're all crooks" is just a cop-out for the fact that you don't have the gonads to even try and figure it out.

On one occasion you wrote "I know its not right, I just don't care" about something.

That's the problem, you need to start caring.

We're on to you man.

"I don't know" is just a cop-out.

"I don't know" is where you start, but not where you stay and where it ends.

And you've been staying there too long, on issues of politics and reason, that you SHOULD know, or at least have very strong inklings.

What good has not caring to know done you?

3 divorces? Narcotics? Alcohol? Busted heart? Insane asylum?

Are you afraid of the light because there is condemnation in it? You feel like you've gone so far off the reservation, that you'd stand out like a sore thumb in a religious setting?

Well, we all have felt like that. If you read the gospels about Christ, all He did was help out people way far off:

- the woman caught in adultery
- the woman who had five husbands
- demoniacs

Those evil spirits out there, or your inner fears, or both, or whatever you want to call them, are painting a miserable picture of God for you.

It probably comes down to courage. Do you have the courage to care about what's right, and to try and figure it out? What are you really made of? What do you got?

You don't know, and you don't care? Or have you really just given up hope and courage?

Come on man, let's see what you're made of.

Let's start here: say ou're watching your unborn baby jumping around in your wife/girlfriend's ultrasound. Say she wants to kill it, and its her choice. You honestly don't care, and you honestly think she should be able to just do that, after she already very consciously decided to sleep with you? You think that's right; that it's OK? Come on man, be real here. All life is show business? Then let realness and sincerity write the script.

This whole thing, all these years, all these posts, etc. This isn't Jim asking you to become a Christian. This is Jim asking you to just be real, and authentic. Sincerity stops bickering. Sincerity; that's all there is.

Jim

Anonymous

#43  22 October 2008 - 19:57

 

((shew))...are you this passionate in bed too Jim?

I "think" you might be asking me questions or is it Larry, or Tim....

Calm down Jim....really...

I think when people say "i don't know" means -- it's none of your God-damn business and they don't want to be demeaned or degraded by your high and mighty up on your soap box attitude.

I am not sure, but I don't recall saying that I thought it was okay to kill an unborn child - but I can see how you could think that after I said it was the woman's choice - but I do not belive it is - especially if it was for birth control - I've seen too much of it in my day -

Here is truth and sincerity Jim - if a girl is raped by her uncle, her father or her brother -- or raped at all -- I do belive that it is her right to have that baby terminated.

I do care about the world - it is what it is - America has become what it has....this is the system we have.....I can either fight it, call it names, but it down, or I can figure out how to get in and make the changes that I feel are right.

The cards have been dealt - they have been played by previous players....when opinions are asked of me (my vote) that is the time for me to stand up for what "I" belive in...not what "you" or my co-worker belives in -- but me...little ol' me who works, lives, breathes, and will die in America....

but this isn't what you are looking for...you want me to tell you that i have looked at all the evidence....who is lying, who is telling the WHOLE truth? Whose ideas do I belive if THEY all go by the good book - Christians, Cathlotics, Lutherns, Baptist, and the list goes on...who do I belive if one camp tells me the other camp is corrupt and both have proof of the corruption....

I go by what I feel....and how I think things should go...that is sincerity....

I try to see through the lies, corruption, and sort things out for what I KNOW, not by what other people tell me....

Poor tim...we just keep using your blog for....I think Jim .... you called it bickering...do you bicker with everyone else in your life also?

22apples4ever

#44  22 October 2008 - 20:34

 

that's interesting, my post was directly to Tim; but it looks like I hit two birds with one stone.

Not that the intention was to throw any stones. :-)

Either way, maybe I'll try and reply to some of that later tonight, when I might have a little more time.

Jim

Anonymous

#45  23 October 2008 - 03:14

 

I just feel led to let Tim respond when he gets around to it, and then myabe I'll address some of those other points brought up.

Besides, I'm sure you can figure out that a baby doesn't rape their mother, so they shouldn't be punished by being killed, and that the authority that canonized The Bible is the chuch authority that needs to be followed.

Jim

Anonymous

#46  23 October 2008 - 15:15

 

A child that is a product of rape....do I even need to go into the effect that this brings to a child -- espeically as an adult...

Do we have a right to go in and kill that baby....no, WE do not have the right, but that woman should.

I wonder...how do you feel about the morning after pill - is this also killing?

I am sure that you have said it some place, but for me....please share when you think life begins.

22apples4ever

#47  23 October 2008 - 18:49

 

Conception. Whether religious or not, its the only logical answer.

Jim

Anonymous

#48  23 October 2008 - 18:51

 

Morning after pill is the "murder after" pill. Only a genuine scumbag would promote its use.

Jim

Anonymous

#49  23 October 2008 - 18:52

 

The pill itself often serves as an abortificant, but Protestants and media won't tell you that. They won't be honest with themselves, so they sure won't be honest with you.

Jim

Anonymous

#50  23 October 2008 - 19:49

 

I'm glad God doesn't see people the way you do, Jim.

To him, your sin of arrogance (which you have admitted to) and any other sin you might have, is just as bad as these. You are just as big a scumbag as the one promoting the morning after pill. So am I.

Thank God for grace. Thank God for Christ. The wages of sin is death, Jim. Any sin. SIN. DEATH. They go together. Thank God for His gift of eternal life, should we choose to accept it.

larryl

#51  24 October 2008 - 02:56

 

We have to repent, and do penance and reparations for the remission of sins.

He'll help us overcome sin, but we have to work with Him on it, not just be content with continuing to sin.

Should we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Certainly not, says Paul.

Jim

Anonymous

#52  24 October 2008 - 16:24

 

there's no penance big enough. only Christ's blood is enough.

and it can cover the abortionist's sin, just like it covers your's.

never said we should continue to sin. just noting your tone, and your words, as though you are somehow better, when you are not.

larryl

#53  25 October 2008 - 02:07

 

Being rightfully angry about abortions, has nothing to do with feeling superior to anyone. I'm saying that we'rea ll to blame, and we need to do our part to end it. 2 of my girls asked if we can go pray the roasray again at the clinic tomorrow; I said "you bet". We need to get to work for the unborn.
People have testified that just seeing people out there praying has influenced them to not go through with it. Any little effort, God can turn into something big, even if you don't always see the fruit firsthand.

Jim

Anonymous

#54  25 October 2008 - 02:31

 

we don't even have abortion clinics here, jim.....

most any OB will perform them.

should we protest them all?

larryl

#55  25 October 2008 - 02:31

 

and if we did, how would we know who was there for what?

larryl

#56  25 October 2008 - 21:59

 

The best way to find out who's there for what is to go and observe.

All you have to do is pray; not everyone is ready/called to sidewalk counsel. We're all called to pray.

Here are some mills in your area:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ATlanta%2C+GA+abortion+clinics&aq=f&oq=

You probably drive by at least one of them every day without even realizing it, as do most of us.

Jim

Anonymous

#57  26 October 2008 - 01:30

 

none of those are even close to me, man.

larryl

#58  26 October 2008 - 04:50

 

And your excuse if they were close to you?

Jim

Anonymous

#59  26 October 2008 - 22:27

 

that you have your way, and i have mine.

my point was, there are no abortion clinics in my area, and i was correct.

larryl

#60  27 October 2008 - 00:26

 

Here is another link.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=loveland+colorado+abortion+clinics&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Anonymous

#61  27 October 2008 - 00:26

 

I'm sure Tim will be out there protesting the injustice of it all.

Jim

Anonymous

#62  27 October 2008 - 01:29

 

i think tim is several hours from loveland.

larryl

#63  27 October 2008 - 03:06

 

That can't stop the righteous rage he feels for the little ones.

Jim

Anonymous

#64  30 October 2008 - 16:35

 

SCUMBAGS OF THE EARTH UNITE!!!!!

I don't even know where to begin. Let's see ....... I'm just so awash in Christian love and understanding that I just want to... I don't know .... CRUCIFY SOMEONE.

Jim, you poor deluded and masochistic soul, the lunatic voice in the wildnerness of cyberspace; trapped in a virtual room of superior thinkers, clinging, that's right I said clinging, to his religion when what he really wants is a gun. A real big fucking gun. So people would do what he SAYS! Cause he is SINCERE!! And is POSSESSOR OF THE TRUTH!!!!

Andl flat out, little dick laughable.

And I, for one, AM that passionate in bed, too.

tim (obviously)

Anonymous

#65  30 October 2008 - 18:05

 

well said tim....

22apples4ever

#66  31 October 2008 - 02:35

 

Hey Larry, don't you think Christ has had enought Judas kisses from you here?

And Tim, I'm on to you, man. Very obvious that I hit a nerve there. Very very obvious.

BTW, you already crucify the unborn. Any you will probably do so more shamelessly than ever on Nov. 4.

Jim

Anonymous

#67  31 October 2008 - 02:52

 

"trapped in a virtual room of superior thinkers,..."

There. There it is. The assumption that someone else is stupid. That's closed-mindedness. You'll never see that from me towards anyone. But it comes out from liberals, all the time.

With me, I just think I'm right on some on some things. That's not closed-mindedness.

But some others around here, they think I'm not as smart as they are. THAT is closed-mindedness. THAT is the liberal mindset and attitude.

Jim

Anonymous

#68  31 October 2008 - 12:49

 

jim... i'm not apples.

and by the way... you are one of the most closed minded peoeple i have ever met, regardless of the twisted logic you use to show that you are not.

larryl

#69  31 October 2008 - 15:08

 

jim...its all true, and you are just too closed minded to see that INDEED YOU ARE CLOSED MINDED - so much more than I have EVER seen...even in a small town of do-gooder-gossip spreading-ignorant-idiots...

22apples4ever

#70  31 October 2008 - 15:33

 

"even in a small town of do-gooder-gossip spreading-ignorant-idiots..."

There it is again! I'm an idiot! The people in your small town are idiots!
Who is closed-minded?

You'll never catch me calling anyone an idiot. Because I believe that EVERYONE is smart, even people with no education. EVen people I disagree with I think are smart. That's why, ...

I call them to the table to analyze...blah blah blah blah (but a totally true, right, and sincere point).

am I treating anyone like they're stupid in the "God's Math Class" thread, or am I asking people to think for themselves, with some honest questions I am posing?

Jim

Anonymous

#71  31 October 2008 - 15:51

 

and yet, in that very thread, you don't think for yourself, you just copy the thoughts of others.

larryl

#72  31 October 2008 - 15:51

 

i think we need to discuss the definition of closed-minded again, as jim seems confused about it.

larryl

#73  31 October 2008 - 15:55

 

The point cannot be made enough:

It is not people who are certain of their beliefs who are closed-minded; rather, it is people who who insist that other people are stupid, that are closed-minded.

Why shouldn't someone feel certain of their belief in something that makes very good sense to them, and appears to fit all of the data? There's nothing worng with that.

Most of us feel certain that we should get up and put in an honest day's work on our shift. Is there something we should be ashamed of for feeling certain about that?

And I'm somewhat certain that a baby or two can be saved here or there if we put a half-hour or so aside on some of these weekends. Should I be ashamed of that? Should I say "Yeah, I'm open to your view that we should pretty much not carea and do nothing; God'll get those mean mothers and doctors in the end, and that's all that counts"? Would that be open-minded, or would that be very warped reasoning on my part?

Jim

Anonymous

#74  31 October 2008 - 15:59

 

close-mind·ed (klsmndd, klz-) or closed-mind·ed (klzd-)
adj.
Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.


sound like anyone we know?

larryl

#75  31 October 2008 - 16:01

 

are you open minded regarding politics, jim? did you look at all the candidates equally? did you give them all a fair shake?

i did... i researched each of them carefully..... considered their current and past stands on the issues, and how firmly they seem to hold to those... and made my decision....

larryl

#76  31 October 2008 - 16:01

 

o·pen-mind·ed (pn-mndd)
adj.
Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others.

larryl

#77  31 October 2008 - 17:27

 

Tim here.

"The point cannot be made enough:"

Yes it can, you dumb, that's right DUMB motherfucker. I've had it w/yr pious, holier than thou crap. YES everyone I've seen on this page is smarter than you. Moral relativism only plays into it when it's in yr favor? YES, if there's a god let her handle it. Jim, you make me sick and I'm hereby throwing you off my fucking blog. Go haunt someone else's house you condescending little prick and take all yr catholic crap w/you. You are no longer welcome here, so go declare victory in somebody else's cyberspace.

As a practicing ('cause you'll never get it right) Christian, I'm sure you'll do the right thing.

Fuck you for real,
tim

Anonymous

#78  31 October 2008 - 18:27

 

Geez Tim, if you had as much intolerance for falsehood as you did for me, you would be a saint right now.

I'm staying here, and I'm going to be more loud and proud than ever.

Jim

Anonymous

#79  31 October 2008 - 18:34

 

And as for you, Larry, I know what my principles are, and I know what Obama's principles aren't; so there is not much to look into. And mcCain has done a great job of coming around to my principles on many things.

Some of the 3rd parties, while standing for some good things, are too isolationist for me.

There is no closed-mindedness in a conservative continuing to vote conservative.

Jim

Anonymous

#80  31 October 2008 - 18:49

 

"o·pen-mind·ed (pn-mndd)
adj.
Having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others."

So Larry, how would rank Tim's open-mindedness?

Jim

Anonymous

#81  31 October 2008 - 19:22

 

Jim -Tim is done with being openminded and having an open blog -- you are just an irriatating, sore that keeps coming back....((sorry to speak for you Tim...but I got the message LOUD that you told Jim to fuck off...but for some reason he doesn't get it))

22apples4ever

#82  31 October 2008 - 20:10

 

I might leave a few thoughts after after the election, and then I'll aim to split.

Again, I want to be out of here; but if you keep Judas kissing Byrnes, I'm gonna have to stand with My Lord. I'm not too big on watching Him get scourged at a pillar, by people who are supposed to be His friends.

Jim

Anonymous

#83  02 November 2008 - 03:51

 

So, who is more closed-minded:

a) someone who encourage everyone to bring their ideas to the table,
b) someone who blots out peoples' arguments, becuase they assume that the prson is stupid?

Jim

Anonymous

#84  02 November 2008 - 11:32

 

it's the person who refuses to truly listen to the other ideas.....

you know.. the one who wants them brought to the table, not so he can consider them honestly, but so he can slap them down, and attempt to show his superiority, by showing that he knows so much more about spiritual matters....

larryl

#85  03 November 2008 - 03:25

 

"it's the person who refuses to truly listen to the other ideas..."

Just becaue someone doesn't agree with the ideas, does not mean that they are not listening to them, or giving them a fair shake.

"you know.. the one who wants them brought to the table, not so he can consider them honestly, but so he can slap them down, and attempt to show his superiority, by showing that he knows so much more about spiritual matters...."

Sounds like that person is attmepting to see what are valid ideas, and what are not valid ideas, so that everyone can win.

Hopefully all people of good will would want to have their beliefs be as tried and true as possible, so that their inderstanding and actions can be more pleasing to God. That's why my bliefs are always on the table. I'm not going to selfishly hold to anything that would be less than God's best for me and my family. You?

Jim

Anonymous

#86  03 November 2008 - 03:47

 

BTW, I'll stay here as long as I want. Tim has shown zero respect for me all along, so I'm just going to stay. I really don't think God has anything against me tormenting someone who is not even man enough to think out loud when someone presents an honest idea.
Until, me, and my ideas, get the respect that they deserve, I'm staying.

Sure I haven't been perfect, but all he can say is "f-off and die you idiot". And that's all he's ever said since I've known him. So, I can care less about his wishes. It would be disrespectful to God, if I respected his wishes.

And again, if you and Carl, would even attempt to do half the job that God would want you to, this wouldn't even be a problem. "Don't talk to Jim like that", might be a good place to start. I sure wouldn't let anyone talk to either of you like that.

I'm not leaving until I get nothing but 100% respect for me, and a dignified response from him to my honest points. "Id on't kknow" or "I don't care" ahs nothing to do with dignified, or manliness.

If he doesn't like it, tough luck.

And until he says "uncle", and I get the respect that I deserve, I'm staying, and I'll lay it on thicker and heavier than ever.

Jim

Anonymous

#87  03 November 2008 - 13:12

 

You're a truly vile person, Jim.

larryl

#88  03 November 2008 - 15:14

 

I'm sure an unborn baby would say the same thing to Tim.

Jim

Anonymous

#89  03 November 2008 - 15:52

 

Maybe if we ignor him he will leave?? A one sided conversation is never fun....?? No adding fuel to the fire?

22apples4ever

#90  03 November 2008 - 17:05

 

you just don't know him very well yet.

he used to have a message board, where he was the only poster, and he ranted on for weeks.

larryl

#91  03 November 2008 - 17:05

 

but i'll give it a shot.

larryl

#92  05 November 2008 - 13:53

 

From underneath the rock heap of Democrat dominance and gloating, and loud echos of "Wright in 08", etc., come a slow but persistent chant, that will echo louder and louder until conservative Christian Republicans make a comeback in 2012:

"Joe the Plumber!

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Jim

Anonymous

#93  05 November 2008 - 13:55

 

The point being that a set of perfect teeth and a struggling economy may have had the say last night; but conservatives have one all of the arguments. And we're going to get those young people on our side, once they wise up to the unprincipled Marxist creepazoid that Obama truly is.

Jim

Anonymous

#94  05 November 2008 - 13:59

 

Save the babies!
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Jim

Anonymous

#95  05 November 2008 - 14:02

 

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Equal rights, equal time, for the unborn children!

Jim

Anonymous

#96  08 November 2008 - 03:17

 

"Yes it can, you dumb, that's right DUMB ..."

There it is again! Closed-mindedness! Tim really is closed-minded! He really does thnk other people are dumb!

Tim is closed-minded.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.
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Nee ner na ner nee noo.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

Nee ner na ner nee noo.
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Nee ner na ner nee noo.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

Nee ner na ner nee noo.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

Nee ner na ner nee noo.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

He's for killing babies.
He's insincere.

He's for killing babies.
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Tim is closed-minded.
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Nee ner na ner nee noo.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

Eveybody knows it.
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Evrebody knows.
Eveybody knows.
Tim is clo-osed-minded.

Jim

Anonymous

#97  08 November 2008 - 03:32

 

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

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of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

They're closed-minded too-oo.
They're closed minded too-oo.
Their minds closed too.
Their minds closed too.
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They're closed-minded too-oo.
They're closed minded too-oo.
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Their minds closed too.
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Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.
Their minds closed too.
Their minds closed too.
Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Simmons and Laster are enablers
of Tim's closed-mindedness.

Jim

Anonymous

#98  08 November 2008 - 18:20

 

Tim,

I think at this point you should do the wise thing and create another blog. Jim thrives on this stuff. He's like the kid in school who wanted all the attention for himself. The worst kind of bully.

Go on. Concede. Move to a different blog. You have people here who like to read about your life. We don't care about Jim. Let's leave the bully alone in the schoolyard. He deserves the empty space.

David

Anonymous

#99  09 November 2008 - 01:55

 

Hi Dave,

I can totally understand someone looking at the end of this thread and thinking exactly what you expressed.

The truth is, I can't wait to get off of this crazy blog. However, there has been such blatant hate and cruelty, etc. shown to me, that I absolutely refuse to give him the satisfaction of me leaving, without him giving me the respect that I deserve.

I've looked the guy straight in the eye and asked honest questions and been told nothing but "f- off you're an idiot" everytime.

And then a couple other guys who are supposed to be my friends let him get away with all of that, constantly, acting as if he is some problem child, or, worse, if they actually agree with him.

I am nothing but a totally kind, honest, caring, prayerful, studious, genuine human being, and I am not going to disrespect God or myself, by letting this guy tell me to get out of here for saying that it is closed-minded to assume that people like me are stupid.

I'm not just standing up for myself, I am standing for all genuine people of good will.

And BTW, all my taunting up there, sure it sounds immature and like I'm antagonizing, etc. But you know what, the contents of those taunts are totally true. And until those guys listen, there's more to come.

I'm strictly treating them, as they treat me. They treat me like a kid, I'm going to act like one, if that's what they want.

These guys are in their mid-life, and I am not going to let them go on being disingenuous cowards their whole life.

I'm sorry that you have to see all this; but until Tim plays it like a man, I'm staying. In other words, don't hold your breath that I'll leave anytime soon.

Jim

Anonymous

#100  09 November 2008 - 02:49

 

1. tim, i apologize for polluting your blog, and helping jim to do the same. i shall stop.

2. jim, i'm not your friend. i think you are ridiculous. i just like messing with you.

larryl

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